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What are the most overrated and underrated attractions at Disney's Magic Kingdom? Erik and Christian from Drafting the Magic join me in this episode to discuss. We have some disagreements and some hot takes...who do you agree with?

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Michele:

Hello, my friends, and welcome to another episode of Let Me Adjust My Ears. I am so excited today because I have the team, Erik and Kristen from Drafting the Magic. It's the kind of podcast where I listen to it and I talk back to them and I argue with them. And yet, today is the 1st time that we ever got to really connect like face to face, well, voice to voice for all of you who are listening, and I'm so excited. So y'all introduce yourself and, of course, I'm the sucker for origin stories. So tell everyone your origin story and then briefly, you know, your podcast and what I got to do on your podcast, which is why they're perfect to do the topic that we're gonna do today on, Let Me Adjust My Ears.

Erik:

Yeah. Well, no. First of all, thanks for having us. It's been a long time coming. I know we're trying to catch for a long time. So, I'm Erik. I'll let Christian do his intro here a little bit. But, basically, I'll I'll Let you know that our podcast started a few years ago, during COVID.

Erik:

We were sitting at home. I'm a huge sports fan, so is Christian. We're both huge Disney fans. I worked for the company for almost 15 years, and, I thought while we were sitting at home, Not being able to go to work and everybody's stuck at home. What can we do to bring some Disney magic to the folks and combine our love of sports? So we came up with a fantasy draft, like concept where we pick different right now, Disney parks experiences, and we are quickly finding out that we're running out of those. I know it sounds like An endless amount of topics, which there's a lot, but at some point, we're gonna have to expand and and, we'll have more topics coming soon. But, basically, the concept is is He and I will go back and forth and draft Disney different Disney experiences under a certain umbrella and invite guest judges on like yourself. Thank you so much for coming on to, a judge who had the better list, and we just kinda battle it out and see, who who has the, or who's who could entertain people better with their their short list of of what we selected.

Erik:

We've been, fortunate enough to be able to do, what are we at, 30:36 episodes, I think, in the in the in the books right now with a few more coming up, and we're gonna keep this thing going as long as people keep listening. So thank you for tuning in, and thanks for being a part of it.

Michele:

It was great fun. And, I will tell everyone, you will get to hear the episode that I judged on. But I got to do, cues of my 2 favorite parts, which are Disney's Hollywood Studios and Epcot as my listeners know. And, Christian, I haven't forgotten about you, but, Erik, you and I kind of have a shared history, but on separate coasts. So tell everyone what attraction you worked at.

Erik:

So the very first attraction I ever worked at was Star Tours. The original Star Tours, not the Adventures Continue. It's It's an okay thing, but the original is the better one as we all know.

Michele:

Absolutely. Yes.

Erik:

So I got to go there first, and then eventually later on in my career, I got to work in Fantasyland. So I got to operate all 15 Fantasyland attractions at Walt's original Disneyland. So Have that under my belt as well, but, star tours will always hold the special place because that was the first stop for me. Right.

Michele:

And I'm not aging myself because my listeners 2 know that I am I am old. I am a Disney adult, but I did test and adjust on that original attraction also. So my heart did a little bit of flutter when you picked 2 on your list. Okay, Christian. Tell us tell us, introduce yourself. Give us your, like, Disney origin story.

Christian:

Yeah. So, Grew up in Southern California. Didn't know a day where I wasn't an annual pass holder, at the Disneyland Resort. I actually got to go, and we've mentioned this on the show, I got to go to Disney's Disney California Adventure as it was called back in the day. Before it actually opened, I got to go to a media event, as a kid Because we won a, contest on Radio Disney back in the day. So we got to go see Disney's California Adventure. I wanna say it was 2 or 3 days before the park opened. And so I I've been ingrained in Disney my entire life.

Christian:

Love it more than anything, besides maybe Angels Baseball, which gives me different, scars that I'll never be able to undo. But that's that's a different topic for a different show. But, ended up finding a band finding a job at the resort, back right pretty close out of high school. I worked at Innoventions, which doesn't exist on either coast now, of course. Nope. And then, actually

Michele:

RIP. RIP.

Christian:

RIP. Team. Now it's just a Star Wars launch bay and a DVC, members lounge, which is great out here on the Southern California side of things. But moved over to California Adventure. My 1st attraction I got to work was Luigi's Flying Tires, which, isn't there anymore. And then I worked, It's tough to be a bug, which isn't there anymore. And then I worked Olav Snowfest, which isn't there anymore. There's there's a long list of

Michele:

I know. It's for me for California. Pain. I was a movie writer. Oh, well, we have a hashtag that's, like, once a movie writer, so I'm still a movie writer, but I totally feel your pain.

Erik:

You also missed 1, Christian. Don't forget. There's also another attraction. Oh, okay. You're still gonna I'm

Christian:

not done. There's still more. Soarin' Over California, Tower of Terror. Team. I was you are a movie movie writer. My friends called me a movie or a attraction killer. So, it was it was the the funniest thing. My favorite attraction I ever worked, hands down, and it's one of the most underrated attractions in the theme park at Disney California Adventure, Is the red car trolley right at the entrance of the park? What a great way of setting the stage I really am so excited.

Christian:

I know. It's it's great. Time. Also say that I met my wife working at Disneyland. She and I were working World of Color back in 2015, I think. Sunshine. So it was you know, love that show. Met my wife there.

Christian:

So many stories there.

Michele:

I actually think that is the best show on either coast for nighttime shows.

Christian:

It's it's up there.

Michele:

It's I love the color.

Christian:

I mean, I know we all hate luminous. Anybody who's seen it hates it. But maybe that's not true. But, it's not great. They Well,

Michele:

I don't know why they see, I can cuss on my show. I have the e for explicit, and so I can say this. I don't know why they have fucked with the original illuminations. Like, they did not need to do that. It didn't need changing. It it was great.

Christian:

It was great. And, you know, it's one of those many decisions that Disney makes that we might not understand. But It

Erik:

it needed a technical upgrade. That's it. But all of that didn't need Everything else

Christian:

My favorite part, true story, and, Michele, this probably has nothing to do with your show and you probably has nothing to do with any of your my favorite part Of luminous is they're literally, like, happy songs, boom, and they're like, you know, there's a part of your life where you experience loss, and it's literally about You hear remember me from Coco, which is about someone dying, by the way. It's a great fun song. And then you hear the song when Jesse was lost by her kid. Like, in Toy Story, that that show is terrible. It's a snooze fest. I'll say it. Regardless, you're right. World of Color is the best, One of at least the best nighttime spectaculars.

Christian:

I miss the original World of Color. I think that's also something that they shouldn't have ever touched, but they'll they can update it, whatever. Just trying to think of anything else I worked. I worked, I worked Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout out here in California, the new Luigi's, the new Soren, and, My last my last stop of, my Disney career, at least as of now because I don't work there currently, was I was working with the Disney Vacation Club trying to help people make magic. Little different than how you help people go on vacations, Michele, but still it was We we were in the vacation business.

Michele:

Right. No. I I make memories and all of those attractions that you mentioned, I have memories about. So every every one of them. And also, of course, Star Tours and the original fantasy land. I mean, that's Mhmm. That's the greatest land there is really. But I wanna talk about the Magic Kingdom in Orlando today.

Michele:

And obviously, you probably understand by now why I wanted these 2 people to, drafting the magic to talk to me. So a story about the 1st time I tried to do this episode, it was underrated and overrated attractions, and I got on and that was the only thing in my head. And so I just went around the parks and basically told everyone what my favorite attractions were. And then it was so disjointed that I was like, I never aired it. And I was like, no. I have to get YouTube on before I will ever attempt to do that again. So to make it a little easier for all of us, underrated and overrated attractions at the Magic Kingdom

Christian:

in Orlando. In Orlando. We can do that?

Michele:

Yeah. So I am gonna tell you because I alluded to this on your podcast where I was a judge that I think maybe the newest overrated attraction at the Magic Kingdom is Tron. Now I know you haven't been on it, Erik, but I'm sure you've seen videos, and I can tell you that it is a 32nd attraction.

Erik:

So so here's the thing. Out here in Southern California, we have, AmErika's 1st theme park, which people may or may not have heard of before. It's a little place called Knott's Berry Farm. Osprey Farm has an attraction called the Pony Express, and the Pony Express is almost exactly the same as Tron. It's smaller in scale, But the the, the trains, the roller coaster is almost the exact same setup. You're harnessing a horse rather than a light cycle, And it has the same type of restraints. You have the 1 in your back and the one behind your legs. So I kinda know about it.

Erik:

There's, the launch isn't as fast. Right? It's not. It's a smaller thing. So I kinda get it. I know it's it's a different experience, but I I I kinda get where you guys are coming from. Well, where you're coming from. Yeah. Christian, not so much.

Michele:

Yeah. Christian, I know you have an opinion about that. So

Christian:

I I do have an opinion about it, but I will say before I even got on the ride, I knew it was an overrated attraction because Of how much they were pumping into it versus versus Guardians. Because I think everyone t that I've ever talked to thinks that Guardians is a better roller coaster than Tron. The innovation of it, everything that goes into it, it's wild. The fact that they were putting so much money into advertising and effort for Tron told me it wasn't gonna be as good. I personally loved Tron Light Cycle. I thought it was fun. I thought it was thrilling, but I'm also a fast paced. I like speed more than looking around at things, so that's why I will even lean towards saying maybe I liked Tron more than Guardians.

Christian:

But Don't hate me, everybody. It's just a thought. And I'm not even a 100% sure on that. I think I'm I'm kind of in that it might be better for thrill, but I would agree. It's I mean, the amount of ad campaigns they ran on Tron is insane. It it's insane. When you also were opening up Guardians, what, 6 months around or from then?

Michele:

Well, it should have been. It turned out to be like a whole year, and I think that's why they had to pump so much money is because we all waited so long for that attraction to open. It was and I'm not even including pandemic. Like it was silly how long we had to wait. So that that is why I I think it is overrated is because it's just for all that for 30 seconds. I was like, I need more from it. I just wanted more.

Christian:

That's fair. That's a fairest thing

Michele:

to watch.

Erik:

Made it made it wrap around Space Mountain.

Michele:

Oh, that would be great. Cool. Now so now this is gonna be another controversial statement, but I think Space Mountain is the next most rated attraction of Magic Kingdom. 2.

Christian:

Oh, what a what a session.

Erik:

Michele, you got you're gonna love this one after what Christian told me a couple weeks ago.

Michele:

Okay.

Erik:

We had We had this exact conversation about Space Mountain in Florida versus Space Mountain in California.

Michele:

Oh, well, Space Mountain in California is much better.

Erik:

Thank you.

Christian:

Yes. Thank thank you.

Michele:

Yes. Much better.

Christian:

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Michele:

But in Orlando in Orlando, I think it's completely overrated especially now that there is rock and roller coaster. Again, I know it's close. I get it. It's coming back people and and guardians. Like

Erik:

With with everything they built around it, yes, it certainly lowers its value incrementally. It's the Matterhorn. It's it's what it is.

Michele:

It's the Right.

Erik:

The tubular steel dual racing track in the dark. Right. Yeah. And you feel like you're gonna fly out of the thing at any moment. Yeah. I it's I agree. It's overrated.

Christian:

I I'm gonna sit here and disagree. I think it's underrated, and that's That's kind of the crux of our show is, Erik and I disagreeing on the minutiae of things.

Michele:

This is why you're both here. Like, lay it on us. Time trying to

Christian:

help you

Michele:

with it. Vacation.

Christian:

I think that the roller coaster itself is more thrilling than the one in Disneyland. I think the one in Disneyland is smoother. The one in Disneyland has better special effects. It has better music. It has a lot of things. There are 3 or 4 drops.

Michele:

I know. Erik is out of the counting. Not if there's a comedian, but yes.

Christian:

The the roller

Michele:

coaster being said, tick.

Christian:

The roller coaster itself is a better coaster. You you have more of a thrill. Again, it's faster. It is. You have more drops. You have 1 drop on Disneyland Space Mountain. There's 1 drop.

Michele:

Okay. That's what I like to do.

Christian:

Well and that's the thing. Right. And so these things all really do come down to personal preference. Right? And so Right. That's why you guys can sit here and say it's overrated, and I kinda think it's an underrated attraction in Disney lore because of how much everybody hates on it compared to Disneyland Space Mountain. There are amazing parts of Disneyland Space Mountain. But I look at Magic Kingdom Space Mountain, I go, it's kind of underrated. Now, when I see a line outside, that's not underrated.

Christian:

I'm gonna okay. You all are Maybe it's even a little overrated if you're willing to stand outside for it. But I I do like the space mountain there, so I'm going to disagree. I'm gonna say it's underrated And, y'all folks at home at christian_ilton, you wanna kill me out it?

Michele:

There you

Christian:

go. Bring it. Hey. I didn't say I didn't like it.

Michele:

In the show notes. We will definitely put that in the show notes.

Erik:

Yeah. I didn't say I didn't like it, Christian. I'm just saying it's overrated.

Christian:

Don't take it out on Drafting the Magic. Take it out on my personal Instagram.

Erik:

Team. Any pub any publicity is good publicity.

Michele:

About this. Okay. So I haven't asked you guys. And before I go to my most underrated attraction, which I have 2 in my head, but what is your most overrated attraction at the Magic Kingdom?

Erik:

Oh, most overrated.

Michele:

Yeah. Because I already gave you 2, Tron and Spacefox. So I'm out of tomorrow and already.

Christian:

So I will I will say a close second for me would be Buzz Lightyear, Space Ranger spin out there. Because when you go on the one in California, you realize that the one in Florida was just built with old parts, and it's not fun. But when I walked, We were there a couple weeks ago. There's a line outside for that attraction, and it was a long line outside for that attraction. I can't understand that. But for the most overrated ride in Magic Kingdom. Erik, do you have 1? I'm thinking I'm thinking.

Erik:

I will tell you the one attraction that, was hyped up more than I thought it should be. And I I need to preface this by saying that I love this attraction. I just think it's overrated. K?

Michele:

Okay.

Erik:

It's it's it's mind trained for me.

Michele:

See, that's one of my underrated ones.

Erik:

Oh, see. I think I always thought it was overrated.

Michele:

Okay. So tell me why because that is my favorite Magic Kingdom attraction, like, bar none.

Erik:

It it comes down to a similar thing that, you had mentioned about Tron is I just wanted more of it. And I I know there wasn't there wasn't a lot of room for it to be built, but, there's there's clearly a way to make that track longer. And I I like the the dark ride scenes. I think 1 or 2 more would have made it just that over the top, like, this is and that would have made it underrated for me, But I I think that's kinda what what it boiled down to.

Michele:

So for me, I will say the reason I think it's underrated is because nobody really talks about the actual vehicles and I love how the vehicles like feel like a train and go like swing back and forth. And so for me, that is the piece de resistance. It's my chef's kiss. Like, I love that attraction.

Erik:

I I love that that Aspect of the attraction, it almost makes you feel more like a bobsled than Matterhorn ever did because you're really leaning into the turns more, right, which I I think it's really cool. Yeah. I just thought it was shorter, and I I thought it could have been more. That's all. That's that's my biggest reason.

Michele:

Okay.

Christian:

I think I I so I have thought of 1, And it 100% boils down to the fact that we have a better one at Disneyland. The The Pirates of the

Michele:

Caribbean. Things at Disneyland. Yeah. But okay.

Christian:

Pirates of the Caribbean out in Florida just is not a great attraction, Especially compared to the one here in Disneyland. But, and I think and I I wanna tell people at home, especially if you haven't been on the one at Disneyland, That is why I'm saying Pirates of the Caribbean. Because I think on its own, the one in Florida is a good attraction. It's not a bad ride. It's a Flume ride, and it takes you on the story of pirates. But when you see the original, the one that Walt worked on absolutely. Then you go to Florida's and you realize that the one in Florida is 7 minutes shorter or something like that. There's less attraction.

Christian:

You wanna talk about the perfect I mean, I don't really know how much land they have, so this is all just in my head, but the perfect way of The one in Florida isn't, and when I walk past it or I see it has a hour and a half line, overrated for me. I can't I could never do it. A a close second, I guess, a close third because I mentioned, Buzz. Boy, y'all, it's a small world out in

Erik:

Florida. Man.

Michele:

Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Christian:

Y'all gotta go, man. Come to California for God's sake. We actually we had a conversation on, our podcast, with a guy named, Berkan Dinser. He's He made some waves. He was very famous. He's the guy who he screams in a chipmunk voice at his wife about the order of the Pixar movies and how it should be. He made some waves a while back, but he and I had the the same thought of retheme It's a Small World. That should be a Tangled attraction.

Christian:

You have the bathrooms. You can retheme the restaurant. You have a tangled attraction right there. The and Erik said it. Don't touch the original. Don't touch The one in California.

Michele:

Right.

Christian:

That I mean, even when they added the Disney characters, people lost their mind because it's in it is A it's on a different level of attraction to one in Florida? Overrated.

Michele:

Well and we were talking about queues. Like, it's a small world queue in Disneyland. It's great. And we have very, very far off my topic.

Christian:

So Sorry. Sorry.

Michele:

No. No. No. This is great. This is great. Yeah. I definitely the Disneyland is better than Orlando's Magic Kingdom. The East Coast is better at theme park because you have more options to choose from.

Michele:

It's it makes a lot for a longer vacation, more memories to be had for sure. So yeah. But Disneyland is just magical. And and I went for the was it the 60th 60th is diamond. Right?

Christian:

Yes.

Erik:

I

Michele:

was there for the diamond, and I had tears in my eyes. It's just it's magical. It's the original. I mean

Erik:

I got hired during the 50th. That's when I first started there. So, yeah, Those milestone events.

Michele:

For people who haven't figured out that I'm older than both of them, yeah, that that kind of gave it away right there. So my I think Tiana's Bayou Adventure will obviously be very hyped, but I think it will be worth the hype. I'm super psyched about that. And but here's my controversial underrated. And I get those because when families and I am a Disney adult, so I preface this. When families with, like, 7 to 9, 12 year olds. Like, they're like, I don't wanna go on it. It's a baby ride.

Michele:

Like the little ones are fine and my kids love it. And they're, you know, and we're empty nest stars. But I really love Winnie the Pooh. I think it is underrated.

Erik:

Yeah. I've I've never been on the one out there Mostly because, you know, we have 1 here too. And I'm not entirely sure how similar it is. It's exactly the same thing or not, but

Michele:

Probably.

Erik:

Yeah. Probably. It's not

Christian:

it's not the same.

Erik:

It's not? Oh. Oh, which one's better than Hilton?

Christian:

Oh, Florida's by far.

Erik:

Oh, yeah.

Christian:

Florida Florida is by far is better. You sit in a honeypot, you bounce around.

Michele:

Oh. You don't you don't get that honeypot.

Christian:

You don't get that new little vehicle here in California. So So I will interject and say that it is different. And it I I would say it is an underrated ride. I think that it it taking mister toad out is what Why everyone hates it.

Michele:

It's

Christian:

an underrated ride. It's a good ride.

Michele:

It's a good yeah. I think it's a good attraction. And and I think it's good. I mean, I don't think kids should poo poo it just because they think they're too old to like Winnie the Pooh. I mean, you get neon Tigger. Yep. Yep. I love it.

Michele:

Okay.

Christian:

That. Give me neon Tigger any day.

Michele:

Right? Neon Tigger. Any underrated attractions that you can think of or overrated. Still with Magic Kingdom.

Christian:

Erik, you cannot Say haunted mansion is underrated in any way, shape, or form, so just move on.

Erik:

Haunted mansion's underrated in all all shapes

Christian:

team. How is it going to work?

Michele:

She would wait for Hana MangenErikk?

Christian:

That's a good question.

Erik:

If I'm in Florida and I'm on a vacation, however long it takes to get on there because I love that thing.

Michele:

Okay. So then that's not underrated. I mean, it's not underrated. Alright. Oh, okay. That's what you were saying.

Erik:

That's what I'm saying.

Michele:

Yeah. It's totally not underrated. I agree. It is everything. And that one, I will say, is better in Florida, I think, than in Disneyland.

Christian:

See? And I agree, and I Look at Disneyland. I I I think the one in Florida is better too.

Michele:

Yeah. Not one for sure.

Erik:

The only the only difference The only reason or the the only thing that Anaheim has over Orlando is the stretching room. That's it. Everything else in Florida It's better.

Michele:

I love our stretching room. I think it's fun.

Christian:

I I I don't

Erik:

I don't mind it. It's just ours is you know, it's an actual elevator. I I said, which I think is cool that everything starts underground.

Michele:

Oh, yeah. You have an option elevator. Yeah. Okay.

Erik:

Got it.

Michele:

We will move. I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't already know, but, yeah, you don't move.

Erik:

And our our whole attraction out here is underground and out there, it isn't.

Michele:

That's very cool.

Erik:

Yeah. That that's like the only thing, but you would never know that. Right? Unless so, but I think the Elements of the ride itself in Florida are better.

Christian:

And Yep. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can you imagine if I came on your podcast, Michele, for your show and just said that I thought that, Aladdin Magic Carpets was underrated. Can you imagine how much hate we would get online for that?

Michele:

Total overrated. So

Christian:

I I will argue that

Michele:

that dumbo instead?

Christian:

I will I will argue that I think that, The triceratops spin is better than Aladdin mesh carpets because that ride is so bad. I mean, they're both terrible. Anyway, For underrated, and I'm going to say this as someone who knows that it's already pretty hyped, I think the people mover is underrated.

Erik:

Just gonna say that.

Christian:

I think the people mover is and granted, we don't have it here in California. I never got to go on it in California. That tells you my age, folks. That ride is underrated. Being able to Travel around Tomorrowland and see different things. That is that that really goes to the imagination of Walt Disney in my mind of being able to move around the city and do well, I mean, for freaking a, is isn't isn't The people mover an option on spaceship Earth in your future? Like, I think it is. I think it's one of those, like, highway in the sky monorail thing. The people mover is probably the most underrated attraction I can think of even though it's hyped up pretty well.

Christian:

When I see kids who are moaning and groaning about it, I'm sorry. You don't know what kind of steak you got sitting in front of your kiddo. It's awesome.

Michele:

I definitely agree with that. The only reason I would not put it in underrated again is because it is pretty hyped up. But that is the only, like it doesn't have a lightning lane entrance or a fast pass as I prefer to call it. And on a VIP tour because it doesn't have lightning lane, you can't skip that line. And so that is one that I am like, I'm not waiting a 100 minutes for it. Also because talking cues, the cue is fully outside. It's aligned. It's not a real, it's not themed thing because they never thought that there was gonna be a long line for that attraction.

Michele:

And it just got so hyped up and now there's a long line. But I agree it's it is great and it is underrated and there is no better podcasters here. There is no better way, a place, to sit down and take videos of content chat or even record a little bit of a snippet of a live thing. Like, it's awesome. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm in agreement with that. Yeah.

Erik:

It's my it's it's my 1st stop every time I go to Magic Kingdom.

Michele:

Now are you a little rope dropper?

Erik:

It depends. Sometimes.

Michele:

Because for that, I feel like you have to either rope drop or wait until, like, it's dark out because I just I just can't wait in line anymore. And I know that goes back to when I was a cast member, and I could go whenever I wanted, and we just been 2 lines. Like

Erik:

Now I haven't been to Florida in this new age of crowds being insane constantly. And as a matter of fact, the last time I was there, a hurricane rolled in through town. So there was nobody around, which is wonderful.

Michele:

Yeah. That's that's fun to go.

Erik:

Team. Yeah. So I didn't have to, I didn't have to worry about long queues or anything like that. But, like, now usually for for the people mover, we get in the park, go grab a Starbucks or something, and then we go roll right over to PeopleMover, and it's never more than 5 or 10 minutes.

Christian:

That's good. That's So good.

Michele:

Good.

Erik:

Right? I get lucky. That luck's about to run out, though.

Michele:

Yes. Because the next time you come to Orlando, I happen to know he hasn't been there since 2017 because he told me before we started recording. So the next time you come, you're gonna have to, like, deal with the Genie plus lightning lane individual lightning lane attraction access nonsense, which I call job security, because if you plan your vacations with a certified travel advisor of which I am one, that I have lots of great friends who do it too. Then you don't have to worry about that because we tell you what order to get up at 0 dark 30.

Erik:

Right. Yeah. Exactly. And, you know, we having it out here on the West Coast has helped a little bit, which, by the way, we here

Michele:

runs so much better on the West Coast. That's Pretty sad. Right?

Erik:

That's concerning.

Michele:

Yeah.

Erik:

And I I heard the other day too that pirates is gonna be added to lightning lane out here, so that's that's next show

Michele:

that I'll It just got it just got added in Orlando. Thank goodness.

Christian:

Yeah. Yes.

Michele:

And, jungle I think maybe Jungle Cruise has got another maybe perhaps underrated attraction.

Erik:

Yeah. I agree with that.

Michele:

I mean you know?

Christian:

I think I think the jungle in Florida is underrated. Everybody always knocks on it for some reason when we do the comparison of Florida, California. I thoroughly enjoyed going through the cave, I thoroughly enjoy going through the cave or not through the where through the temple or whatever it is. Like, I love that. I think that's

Michele:

something all those puns in the backside of water. And also it was Walt's favorite attraction. So Mhmm. I think it's a must do. And it's right across from Dolby in Orlando. So it's just a must do, I think.

Erik:

Always a whim. Yuck.

Christian:

Yuck.

Erik:

Yeah. I know. Michele doesn't know that. Now she does.

Michele:

You guys did not bring me on for drafting the magic with snacks because, Christian, like, that would have set me off

Christian:

no that won him are Disneyland snacks. I mean, I

Erik:

don't Didn't I take it, like, 4th or 5th because I knew you

Michele:

because I

Christian:

know knew I didn't you knew I didn't like it.

Erik:

Yeah. Yeah. I could wait and take other things.

Christian:

Yes. I've gotta stop I've gotta stop going with my mind and gotta go start going with the logic of the anyway, that's

Michele:

guys, this has been so fun chatting with you. Tell us where people should look to find you, and, of course, we will also add it to the show notes.

Christian:

Yeah. You gotta go to, Instagram and, Facebook search for in, wow. I was about to say search for Instagram. Why am I doing this? Anyway, look for drafting the magic team. At drafting the magic. If you go to in there, if you go to x, wow. If you go to x, it's at drafting magic because Erik couldn't fit the word the in there, time. Because there was a there was a limit on characters.

Christian:

But, he's @ErikPessolano. Good luck spelling that. I'm @ChristianIlten. Good luck spelling that. We'll have Michele put it in the link because otherwise, you ain't gonna spell it right away.

Michele:

Be in the show notes as well as a link to their podcast, which is really great, people. I promise you, if you thought this conversation was controversial, then definitely their podcast is always controversial. And guys, I know it took us forever to hook up, but you have to come back and do underrated, overrated attractions at Epcot. It's another park that can go both ways, so I would love to hear your opinions on that. 2. Definitely have to do this again.

Erik:

Oh, we'll be back.

Christian:

That's our favorite park. We'll do it.

Michele:

Oh, it's it well, it's my 2nd favorite park, stuff. Guys, again, thank you and see you real soon.

Erik:

Thanks, Michele.